Rachel Mendelsohn
10/7/2015 04:43:48 pm
"It struck him that in moments of crisis one is never fighting against an external enemy, but always against one’s own body."
Luci
10/7/2015 05:37:27 pm
I agree with how you said "People only exist inside themselves." Since every action can give you away to the patrol or thought police everyone is very careful about there actions so they can only be them sevles internally.
Nicholas
10/7/2015 07:53:21 pm
The manipulation strategy changes with the proles by treating them like animals. The proles don't revolt because the party tells them they are unimportant. What strikes me is just how open the party is with they're methods. Did everyone start following them just because they thought it was necessary, or was some sort of force used?
Gigi
10/7/2015 04:58:40 pm
"... It was unanswerable even now, since the few scattered survivors from the ancient world were incapable or comparing one age with another"
Luci
10/7/2015 05:34:54 pm
I think there a not a lot of old people left form before the Revloution because they were to dangerous, so they were vaporized. I think the man he talks to in the bar does not remember because he has some sort of memory issue
Emmy
10/7/2015 07:07:01 pm
I never thought about the reason why they haven't killed off the old people, so that's an interesting theory!
ciyjarh
10/8/2015 02:24:49 pm
me too
Luci
10/7/2015 05:31:23 pm
‘Ah,’ said the old man, ‘I never had one of those things. Too expensive. And I never seemed to feel the need of it, somehow.'
Rachel Mendelsohn
10/7/2015 06:44:27 pm
I believe there are two reasons. Firstly, it makes them easy to identify. Secondly, it robs them of another piece of their sense of self.
Emmy
10/7/2015 07:08:25 pm
I agree with Rachel, and maybe they're just a symbol of professionalism.
Connor Reyes
10/7/2015 07:08:43 pm
The reason why they where uniforms is so they can be adentafied
Gigi
10/7/2015 07:59:32 pm
Yes I agree with Rachel if they where uniforms people will know who they are
Alden Andrunas
10/7/2015 08:56:18 pm
It probably is to show that they have no personalities, just like what all the people should be.
Connor Jennings
10/7/2015 09:21:20 pm
I think that it is kind of weird that BB doesn't have tele screens everywhere. The government obviously has a ton of resources and more tele screens is equivalent to less revolts.
Jackson Welsh
10/8/2015 02:19:45 pm
They probably don't want them expressing individuality.
Garret
10/7/2015 05:43:59 pm
My quote is from right after the bomb exploded. "When he stood up he found that he was covered with fragments of glass from the nearest window.He walked on."... "When he got up he saw that it was a human hand." ... "he kicked that thing into the gutter..."
Rachel Mendelsohn
10/7/2015 06:46:54 pm
The book says that they are a regular occurrence because of the constant war. Your're right, this really hows how desensitized they are to violence.
Emmy
10/7/2015 07:01:52 pm
"I can remember when a thing like that would have fetched eight pounds, and eight pounds was — well, I can’t work it out, but it was a lot of money. But who cares about genuine antiques nowadays — even the few that’s left?'"
Kevin V.
10/7/2015 08:48:07 pm
Well since BB doesn't want anything that may have come from the past he kind made it so that anything that was an antique wouldn't matter that much. So just about everything.
Connor Reyes
10/7/2015 07:06:27 pm
"O’Brien, for whom, or to whom, the diary was written, but instead he began thinking of the things that would happen to him after the Thought Police took him away. It would not matter if they killed you at once. To be killed was what you expected."
Gigi
10/7/2015 08:00:22 pm
I would say yes by hiding your emotions because you never know when they could be watching
Ciy'Jarah
10/8/2015 02:03:20 pm
I agree with gigi
Marissa
10/7/2015 09:14:55 pm
I think there are many way to not get caught by the thought police. For an example masking your emotions. But it not how can you is for how long will you.
Emma Hernandez
10/10/2015 10:59:54 am
It seems as if you were to lie to the thought police so they would never know your emotion and they can detect and sensor the smallest little movement...
Grace
10/7/2015 07:45:14 pm
"...in moments of crisis one is never fighting against an external enemy, but always against one’s own body."
Nicholas
10/7/2015 07:49:05 pm
I think It might be a way of reinforcing that Ociania has been at war with Other countries for a long time. When Germany was launching air raids on London, bombings were regular occurrences, so orwell might be drawing inspiration from that.
Brittney
10/7/2015 08:19:24 pm
I think that is there number 1 act of war and since they keep going back and forth between who they are fighting with they keep going off symbolizing war.
Nicholas
10/7/2015 07:45:46 pm
"The old man looked meditatively at the darts board. He finished up his beer, more slowly than before. When he spoke it was with a tolerant philosophical air, as though the beer had mellowed him."
Brittney
10/7/2015 08:14:15 pm
I agree with that is kind of confusing but, do you remember when he said that you don't really have friends anymore? I think that they are both very intelligent and enjoy each other company.
Kat
10/8/2015 08:05:03 am
He could get information about BB from syme.
Brittney
10/7/2015 08:10:59 pm
"And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable?"
Alden Andrunas
10/7/2015 08:59:27 pm
I brought this up in the chat room during class, but you are in the opposite rotation... I believe that BB is just a computer or a fabricated facade conceived by the party to fool the people into thinking that he is "watching you."
kevin r
10/7/2015 08:14:43 pm
‘If there is hope,’ he had written in the diary, ‘it lies in the proles"
Connor Jennings
10/7/2015 09:17:29 pm
I think that if all the proles got together and revolted, Oceana would fall in no time, because there are just so many of them. The thing is though, none of the proles really know the extent of how messed up the government is and that is why the thought police are there, to keep them from organizing.
Bella
10/7/2015 08:44:17 pm
"‘If there is hope,’ he had written in the diary, ‘it lies in the proles.’ The words kept coming back to him, statement of a mystical truth and a palpable absurdity"
Kevin V.
10/7/2015 08:52:10 pm
In this society the Proles are basically like the outcasts. Their the ones who weren't good enough and so anybody that is born from a Prole will end up with the same fate. And as to why BB hasn't wiped them out yet is probably because if he ever needed soldiers he could maybe use some of the Proles.
Marissa
10/7/2015 09:17:53 pm
I think the prolegs jobs are to be distractions. Everyone plays a role in big brother perspective. I think he use them to distract more and more of the population for what really happening.
Kevin V.
10/7/2015 08:46:09 pm
"At the same instant a man in a concertina-like black suit, who had emerged from a side alley, ran toward Winston, pointing excitedly at the sky. "Steamer!" he yelled "Look out guv'nor! Bang over'ead! Lay down quick!" "Steamer" was a nickname which, for some reason, the proles applied to rocket bombs." Pg. 83-84
Katie
10/7/2015 08:52:03 pm
"When he got up to it he saw that it was a human hand severed at the wrist. Apart from the bloody stump, the hand was so completely whitened as to resemble a plaster cast.
Alden Andrunas
10/7/2015 08:54:34 pm
"...in moments of crisis one is never fighting against an external enemy, but always against one’s own body."
Marissa
10/7/2015 09:12:18 pm
"A sense of helplessness took hold of Winston. The old man’s memory was nothing but a rubbish-heap of details. One could question him all day without getting any real information" Chapter 8
Ben Callaway
10/8/2015 06:47:42 am
I really do think that that is why they do t have much to say.
Kat
10/8/2015 08:02:56 am
I think Big Brother or the government took away there memories to forget something that they did.
michael
10/12/2015 10:15:07 pm
I agree Kat.
Carson Daybell
10/8/2015 08:26:47 am
I think this is really why they don't say much
Connor Jennings
10/7/2015 09:14:05 pm
"Piggy's right, Ralph. There's you and Jack. Go on being chief."
BenG
10/7/2015 09:33:22 pm
"In moments of crisis one is never fighting against an external enemy, but always against one’s own body." 10/7/2015 10:44:30 pm
"...in moments of crisis one is never fighting against an external enemy, but always against one’s own body."
Ben Callaway
10/8/2015 06:46:49 am
I would guess somewhere between 30-45
Emma Hernandez
10/10/2015 11:02:29 am
They guessed his age to be around 30 years old.
Dylan B.
10/7/2015 10:55:13 pm
"'There's no telescreen!' he could not help murmuring.
Jackson Welsh
10/8/2015 02:18:33 pm
They probably don't care what the proles have to think. They're so poor, their opinions don't matter.
Ben Callaway
10/8/2015 06:45:53 am
"A sense of helplessness took hold of Winston. The old man’s memory was nothing but a rubbish-heap of details"
Carson Daybell
10/8/2015 07:53:56 am
‘Ah,’ said the old man, ‘I never had one of those things. Too expensive. And I never seemed to feel the need of it, somehow.'
Kat
10/8/2015 08:01:37 am
"A sense of helplessness took hold of Winston. The old man’s memory was nothing but a rubbish-heap of details. One could question him all day without getting any real information"
Daven K.
10/8/2015 09:52:05 am
"A low-celinged crowded room, its walls grimy from the contact of innumeral bodies; battered metal tables and chairs, placed so close together that you sat shoulder to shoulder touching; bent spoons, dented trays, coarse white mugs; all surfaces greasy, grime in every crack; and a sourish, composite smell of bad gin and bad coffee and metallic stew and dirty clothes."
Jackson Welsh
10/8/2015 02:11:49 pm
"...Syme will be vaporized. He is intelligent. He sees to clearly and speaks too plainly."
Ciy'Jarah
10/8/2015 02:23:34 pm
freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four.If that is granted, all else follows. Can someone please help me understand this quote. I think it means that people say that we are free but we all have these invisible chains that we can never break. And that we are never that equal in the world. We all have this image that we are all going to be successful in life. But people don't get that strength they need to push forward in life.
Coach Clark
10/9/2015 08:34:08 am
Great question Ciy'jarah! He is really making a comment about the freedom to know and speak the truth, that 2+2=4. In Big Brother's society if BB says it equals 5 then that is what the people have to believe, even if it's not true.
Ruby
10/8/2015 02:54:10 pm
¨It struck him that in moments of crisis one is never fighting against an external enemy, but always against one’s own body¨
Emma Hernandez
10/10/2015 10:33:24 am
‘There’s no telescreen!’ he could not help murmuring.
Lyra
10/11/2015 02:24:56 pm
"Chastity was as deep ingrained in them as Party loyalty. By careful early conditioning, by games and cold water, by the rubbish that was dinned into them at school and in the Spies and the Youth League, by lectures, parades, songs, slogans, and martial music, the natural feeling had been driven out of them."
Karim abbas
10/12/2015 03:43:30 pm
"Ive done it lots of times"
Monique
10/14/2015 11:54:31 am
"...in moments of crisis one is never fighting against an external enemy, but always against one’s own body."
Karim
10/18/2015 05:54:20 pm
"And I never seemed to feel the need of it, somehow."
kaleb b
10/28/2015 05:32:38 pm
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